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Gay marriage

I guess I should weigh in on this gay marriage business since it could change the face of this nation and all.
Personally, I have always thought of marriage as another tax scam to keep people dependant on the state.
I know couples love each other and all that, but when I hear couples talk about possibly getting married, it isn’t long until I hear, “The tax break will be nice.”
I have never figured out why love just can’t be love. Why do people need a government document (marriage certificate) confirming their feelings toward one another?
Furthermore, why do we need to get permission from the government (marriage license) to marry the person we are in love with?
Would the marriage be any less valid if my partner and I were married by anyone other than a preacher or a judge?
In the eyes of the state, yes, the marriage is not valid unless performed by an agent of the state (which includes priests and pastors.)
So why does the couple need the state to recognize their marriage? The love and respect are still going to be there. The ceremony is still going to be beautiful. The cake will still be good. The band will still play “The Macarena.” Everything is the same except one thing. The newly married couple won’t get the tax break. It’s a scam, I tell you.

Which brings me to gay marriage. It’s not an issue I pay too much attention to because of my general feeling toward (state-approved) marriage.
I had always thought gays wanted to be married so they could get those tax breaks that married people get. I figured that makes sense. They’re Americans, they were born free, they should have the right to enter a marriage contract with whom they choose and get those tax breaks if they so desired.
Then I’m told that there’s such a thing as a civil-union contract, which extends the same benefits and protections to gay couples as a marriage contract does for straight couples.
Now I’m curious as to why, even with the same protections as straight couples, why gays need to have their union called a “marriage.” What is it about that word that makes gays think it will make their lives better? Have they seen the “divorce” rate? (OK, that was an easy shot.)

Of course when big news happens it is usually discussed at length in the newsroom. Since I don’t really care one way or the other, here’s some of the ideas that have been talked about.

1.) One of the major concerns I hear is that the gay marriage issue is less about getting the same rights as married people and more about forcing society to accept their lifestyle.
I really hope this isn’t the case. In general I support peoples’ right to live and form unions with whomever they choose. But once you start crossing the line and forcing me to accept something that I may oppose, I have to stand against it on principle.
It’s the old “Don’t force your beliefs on me” doctrine, which gay people have been known to use ad nauseam. Ironic, isn’t it.
2.) Another concern is that if gay marriage is approved, it will force churches to recognize and perform ceremonies for gay folks. That would be tantamount to condoning a lifestyle that many churches and their parishioners believe to be an abomination (God’s words, not mine). Quite simply, you can’t do that. You can’t force people to take part in your lifestyle. It’s un-American.
Religious people are some of the most tolerant and understanding people in the world. But if gay marriage is approved and the church has to conform to the homosexual lifestyle, the religious folks will rise up with a level of intolerance never experienced before. And it would be their right to do so. Sorry gays, but your rights end where another person’s rights begin. Don’t expect opponents of the homosexual lifestyle to accept it just because some judge says so. Opponents have every right to stand up for and defend their own personal beliefs and their way of life.
Most people will “go along to get along” just to keep the peace. But if you really want to push churches, and by extension the congregation, to the point of war, you will get a war. And it will be ugly. And you will lose.
3.) The real bummer is that church leaders will have to comply. Regardless of their doctrine and theology, most churches in this country are just an agent of the state. They are nothing more than another 501c3 non-profit organization, which are required to obey the whims of the state’s laws, statutes and judgments. (That’s why a marriage by a priest or pastor is valid in the eyes of the state, he’s just another agent of the state.) A church’s doctrine and theology are its lifeblood. If churches are forced to abandon their deeply held beliefs, the church will implode, which may make some of you gay folks happy.
While there will likely be a mass exoduses from the church, all those folks are going to be pissed and they will come after you and put you to death (Old Testament style).
4.) There is also the issue of going from state to state. If a gay couple gets married in California, the marriage won’t be recognized in other states. San Francisco mayor Gavin Newsom said of the issue, “As California goes, so goes the rest of the country.” (That’s a paraphrase.) Didn’t California vote in 2000 to keep marriage between a man and a woman? I think the percentage was like 60-40 in favor of traditional marriage. And California is supposedly a liberal state. If gays are beaten that bad in one of their own states, they will waste a lot of taxpayer money trying to get the rest of the nation to “go gay.” That personally ticks me off, because making every state gay is not what that big chunk of change missing from my paycheck every payday is supposed to be used for.
5.) The other issue is what to do about polygamous relationships. If the gays get their way and get to redefine marriage (and the marriage contract), then folks who have three or more parties in their relationship will also want the same benefits and protections. I believe it would be their right, too. But I have to come back to the question of, “Why do you need to be ‘married’ in the first place?” There are gays that are now in loving and fulfilling relationship and there are polygamous people who are also now in a loving and fulfilling relationship. What is it about “marriage” that makes it so desirable? Ask around. I bet it won’t be long until you hear the words “tax break.”

It is my opinion that gays are pushing the issue at this point. I, and most people, don’t care what other people do with their lives. “I am who I am and you are who you are.” “Live and let live.” “Go along to get along.” These tired old truisms have, up to this point, served society well when it comes down to tolerating different lifestyles and beliefs. We may not agree, but we don’t have to.
While I respect that gays are seemingly standing up for the principal of “equal rights,” I think they are taking part in the very behavior they supposedly oppose. Namely force-feeding their agenda to society at large, and especially to those of a conservative or religious persuasion.
While I am neither religious nor conservative, I personally feel the gay issue is a distraction to other more important issues that affect everybody. Taxes, the economy, energy, the environment, etc.
I also think gays are stepping over the line when they try to force acceptance by court order. The California Marriage Amendment will go on the November ballot. I don’t know how I’m going to vote yet. But the more I hear about how the homosexual lifestyle is so horrible without “marriage” benefits, the more I lean toward making sure “marriage” is kept between a man and a woman, just out of spite.

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Mr. Warner, you have reached the right conclusion for the wrong reasons.

Marriage was instituted by God, to promote an orderly society and to teach the world about His love for us. Husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved His bride, the Church, giving His life for her.

Marriage has not only moral and spiritual underpinnings, but also legal and practical. It is in the interest of government to promote the traditional family for reasons of economics and law and order. The breakdown in the American family, particularly among blacks, has helped create a chronic underclass, accompanied by increases of crime and government dependency.

BTW, "dependant" is a noun referring to a person for whom one is granted a tax deduction, while "dependent" is an adjective that in the context refers to one person's reliance upon another.

Trevor,
You should be on the editorial page-- that was a terrific post.

OK here's another thought-- alamony, child support, divorce -- the benefits of being married-- if they want the spoils of being married, grab a spoon and start eating

A tax break is only beneficial while you are married-- the "spoils of divorce" could follow you for life.

Anyway, I liked your post.

We live in a society today, that is so full of loose conduct and getting worse by the day, hour and minute. No matter what we feel about disgusting loop holes in moral issues. The goverment is going to over turn good into bad, just like they did with gay marriage. Thats why I dont vote. All politicians are bad after the first year in office. They learn how to manipulate the system, for what they want out of serving what ever seat they hold in office. Gay marriage was put in effect for someones self gratatute. It didn,t come from me, because I dont vote.

I am just curious where some of you are getting your information, besides the Bible? I hardly believe that any one of you have read the original documents from which the Bible was translated. Have you looked up the Etymology of the word marriage? I can tell you one thing, it didn't say the word was created by God, that's for sure.

Marriage is a word. That is all it is. Why does it matter that gay folks want to call their unions marriage? Who cares, they should be afforded the rights to create and be dedicated to their families. These are people who want to make the commitment to each other, I say let them. Let them reap the rewards that come with it, legal and spiritual.

It's OK for Brittany Spears to have a 73 hour "marriage", but it not OK for the Lesbian couple who have been together for over 50 years to be "married"? How ridiculous does that sound?

Many Pagans, Buddhists, Hindus and Muslims get "married"...Are you going to start telling them they can't use the word marriage either? Some of them don't even share the same God as you, and yet, they are allowed to get "married" in your eyes. You know... many gays are also Chritsian...What happened to loving everyone? Isn't that what Jesus preached?

Don't even get me started on people who don't vote. That is just plain stupid. These people have no right to complain at all.

If God didn't like gays, he wouldn't make them.

If you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a gay person?

There are much more pressing issues going on in the world today. Is banning gay marriage going to decrease gas prices? Is it going to save people in Darfur? Is it going to stop our soldiers from dying in Iraq? Is it going to educate our children? No, it will do none of these things.

To the person who wrote thier comment on 7-16-2008.I must say that your view points are deep. But it is just your view points. The truth behind them is God forbids lesbians and gays to marry. Now in your,s and my end. We will have to answer to Jesus Christ for abnormal behavior. I hope you are ready.

What all of this homophobic propaganda really comes down to is this: Most people in today's world would rather look down upon homosexuals as confused and immoral persons rather than be respectful enough to treat them as equals. Why? Because we live in a male-dominated society where failure to comply with a heterosexual lifestyle is considered a threat to religous and political idealism. As long as humans cling to their fears of alternative lifrestyles, there will always be discrimination and unacceptance of minorities. That is the simply truth. And please, don't try and pull some Biblical bullcrap on me. I've studied the Scriptures for four years in a college prep school, and realized that although they are God-inspired, they were written by people. So despite the life lessons and divine inspiration found in between the lines, many still abuse the Bible as a rulebook on life, condmening those who do not live it word for word.
Please stop judging others because you do not understand them. I ask that you consider the following passage: 'And why do you take note of the grain of dust in your brother's eye, but take no note of the bit of wood which is in your eye? How will you say to your brother, Brother, let me take the grain of dust out of your eye, when you yourself do not see the bit of wood in your eye? O false one! First take the wood out of your eye and then you will see clearly to take the dust out of your brother's eye.' The bit of wood in our eye that looks down on a homosexual needs to go before we can make observations about his or her character, or else our impaired perspective will only see them as one who is abnormal.

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